NF wrote:(Can't remember who said it so apologies for not being able to attribute the idea properly. Microphone drop is on their behalf)
That would be me
SSX-MS on IRC wrote:23:05 @M-Steiner • If we didn't go with community for the community my choice would be to simplfy it to The Shattered Star. Have nothing on the end.
23:05 @M-Steiner • Then each individual group can decide what to put on the end of it, if they want to.
23:06 @M-Steiner • Community, Society, Exiles. Whatever. All still come together as the Shattered Star. My only prob with it is the abbreviation to SS or whatever :/
The idea then being (like said) that if each group within the Shattered Star wants to fit something on the end of there that either themselves would like, or maybe fits in with the game they're playing, they could do.
If we were making our TOR group now our sith group could have been called the Shattered Star Empire.
Neocron could have been the Shattered Star Angels.
Heh.. If I had managed to get something going in WildStar when I tried (I was playing within The Exiles faction rather than dominion) - Shattered Star Exiles
But the community as a whole would just label themselves as simply, The Shattered Star. We've been called the Shattered Star since 1997, nobody has an issue with that part of our name (I don't think?).
The problem for me there though is what kind of tag people would link with the name by themselves. TSS sounds kinda weird to me and SS doesn't need any explanation lol. S2 would be an option but that moves a little further away from SS[ ], plus the Shattered Star doesn't naturally fit that abbreviation like Shattered Star Community does to SSC, eXiles does to SSX or something like Society would to SSS.But, but!
Take everything said above and attach it to the Shattered Star Community. That is how I was trying to approach it and give all of us here some wiggle room.
Community is what we are so it gives us an additional group wide name to stick on the end there and with a clear cut tag to go with it. Whether 4 of you have disagreed with the proposal currently, community is something we can all agree that we are. Exiles we cannot and never will. - Try and forget that Community would add the letter "C" on the end like Confederation did. We are not the Confederation
Groups within the community can still do the above, if and when they want.
SW:TOR as the Shattered Star Empire
Neocron as the Shattered Star Angels
WildStar as the Shattered Star Exiles
WoW:EU could have been the Shattered Star Alliance
and other groups (like Star Citizen currently) would just go by the Shattered Star Community. This would be the preferred choice ofc, as it helps get the same name "out there" as it were.
etc. (oh and just to be clear, I'm not suggesting we go back and login to those old groups and change their name lol. I'm just using them as examples as if we were to create them today. Just pulling those names out of my head too.]
But the group as a whole is simply, the community. No shit. With a broad and non-specific name like community you can just as easily knock that off the end for an individual group and suffix something else, just like people could with the Shattered Star. It's also important to remember that whatever we slap on the end of the Shattered Star [ ] in the game we're playing, if we link and bring people back to the "community" it makes sense (at least to me) and doesn't beg questions and need any explanation like Exiles has over the years. And yes, as someone who has recruited in the past for us and when talking about our community that question was asked SEVERAL times. I can't remember anyone who chose not
to join us because of the name and I'm not trying to say it was ever single person I spoke to because that would be a lie, but it did
lead to questions some of the time. If it never did for you then you were either very lucky or you never recruited. Community is straight forward.[Edit] I used this example on IRC last night too but I'll add it in here too. NeoGAF. When I couldn't get anything going for WildStar over here (not through lack of trying and even getting hold of beta keys lol) I looked to NeoGAF since I'm a member over there as well. We had 2 "official" GAF guilds in the game (one was US and the Dominion, the other was EU and the Exiles). Our guilds were Neo Empire & Neo Exiles (I was actually the one to suggest Neo Exiles) but both were part of the NeoGAF community (and friends) [/Edit]
If Isi and Anny want to start a new group somewhere as the Shattered Star Exiles, within our "community" - fine. That's fair and I have no problem with that. This leaves freedom for those of you who won't budge from the Exiles name still be able to associate yourself with it (to a degree, I know). On the other side it also leaves freedom for those of us who want rid to move on from it. Annd from a third side and to the people who really don't care either way. they have that freedom also. But each of us comes together as a "community" in name. Each side can reach a compromise there if we really try. I know it's a move for change and no matter what the result one side will always "lose" but there is no avoiding that. You're not asking me to identify myself with Exiles, we're not bringing people back into a community called "Exiles", and I'm not asking you guys to drop Exiles all together either for those of you who don't want. But we're all
members of this "community" and that's something we can
all agree on if we all try and meet in the middle. Like the "Shattered Star" we have promoted and brought people back into our community since 1997 too, just not in name