Kondratev wrote:The past few days have involved MS revealing he's changed the login info on STR's Twitter, and he plans to use the STR social media accounts as his personal pages.
This is, and isn't true. I have used Twitter as both my personal account and the main account representing STR for most of the year. How often do you read it? My tweeting habits are no different now than they were last week, last month or 3 months ago. The page still had the STR name on them (up until you upset me tonight), I still promoted STR for us and I continued to put our name out there. What your saying paints a picture of me taking control of twitter and using it for my personal gain which is just not true. You also keep saying "social media accounts
". It's one
Kondratev wrote:MS claims the Twitter account "became [his] over time," and also said he considered the STR Youtube to be his personal channel. Although still using our name and URLs, he changed the email and password associated with the Twitter account. MS also said openly that he would not re-open the account even if the community voted in favor of doing so.
Yes, but let me try and explain. The Twitter account was created (as were all of them) with the intention of a group account which the group would contribute to, build up and help extend our reach. The Twitter account remained open throughout the year for people to do that but as nobody else but me was using it or ever showed an interest in doing so, I took it upon myself to personally manage it - all this time it was left open. Rather than post like an advertising bot or robot, I wanted to take a personal approach to it. I've used it as a human being. There's only so much *STR* only stuff you can post when you're struggling to get people to talk here.
After managing it by myself all this time, making over a thousand tweets and gaining over 300 followers (all under STR, but with M.Steiner on the page as well) I thought it made sense to change the login details. By this point I saw it as my account (but still representing STR, I have NEVER stopped doing this) and changing it to my own e-mail address which meant I could actually receive notifications which I wasn't able to do before.
Now after a year of building that account up by myself
, with nobody else's help. I wasn't happy just to open that back up to you when you've contributed absolutely nothing to it. I can understand that some of us are really busy which is one of the reasons I've used my time to do this stuff. But if anyone had really
wanted to help me run Twitter you're telling me you couldn't have made a single tweet per week or something? But nobody but me all year? But now that I've spent all this time building it up you want access to it? Yeah. That annoyed me and wasn't going to agree to it.
YouTube - Everything on YouTube (besides a couple of videos which BD very kindly put up a while ago) was recorded and uploaded by me. All 100+ of them and counting. Nobody else but BD has contributed a single video to it. I had SL33PY transfer ownership to me because I was uncomfortable continuing to provide content to a channel which only I was using and whilst this place became increasingly less active (including the owner of the channel himself). I wanted to make sure I had full control over my content. Nothing more. Yes I consider the channel mine when 99% of the content on there is mine, but I'm still using my content to promote STR. Others have been welcome to start contributing to the channel as well and have been all year (and I have openly asked several times in the past for offers of help there yet have received none other than what I said above with BD). YouTube managers are still as they are. Nothing has changed. If the group suddenly wants to start contributing to it now and on a regular basis? Then we can talk and the channel can either become the channel it was meant to be (with content from lots of different users here and not
just me) or I can rename the channel to MS, my content can go with me and we'll have a new channel which starts off as it was intended to. Right now? Everyone who had access to YouTube, has access to YouTube. I have changed nothing
with YouTube. Only Twitter.
Last week, MS created a thread notifying us that his videos uploaded to the STR Youtube page would carry his name instead of STR's, and he would no longer link to this site. The thread has now been locked
by MS after two IRC discussions reveal he has not been honest about the full scope and intent of his changes to our social media accounts.
This paints a wrong picture as well and people (I hope) can see that if they've read what I wrote there. I openly explained why I was doing it but to repeat: Every single gaming video I posted on YouTube has linked here but whilst Twitter & YouTube have been growing and growing for us (due to my efforts, nobody else's), the site and forums have become less and less active as time has gone on. It made more sense to me to point my YouTube videos to @ShatteredStar97 / M.Steiner STR which is heavily active and always gaining followers, than the forum which has been getting worse by the day. This was only until things picked up here. Drawing people to a forum where people are posting & engaging with each other less and less does not set off a good impression. Imo. I also locked the thread as I posted a new one asking for imput, and wanted comments all in the one place rather than spread across 2 different threads. I added a big message at the top of the thread to tell people to please see that other thread. The thread was not locked "after two IRC discussions revealed" either. I locked it as soon as I put the new thread up to divert people there. What are you looking at poke at here?? - You say my videos would carry my name instead
of STR too?
What are you talking about? Every single one of these has STR in it and up until you pissed me off tonight, the STR twitter they link to under my name had STR branding ALL over it (and does again).
So we've discovered two things here - You rarely read twitter otherwise you would know that I already use Twitter as my personal account (within reason, everything I've usually posted there are things we have used the forum for - gaming, music, tv, film etc) and have been doing for months. You're putting it out there that I changed the login first and then claimed I was going to start using it as my personal account too. This is incorrect.
Why are you taking issue with it now? Because you pay so little attention to what I do over there that you've only just seen? Because I openly told you no after you asked for access to it a year after I've built it up by myself? It doesn't stop the fact that this is how I have always
run the account. The account has always
been used on a personal level by me. I chose to do it that way so the account was given more love and attention. Absolutely nothing has changed with my use of it. The only thing that has changed is the login, and only after a year of it being all me.
And #2. You haven't actually watched my YouTube videos you're making those claims at otherwise you would see I never removed STR from them. Please get your facts straight before you come here informing other people of things which are not true.
Kondratev wrote:Many of MS' forum posts lately have been calling for more activity and to help out on social media. I'm in the US and a night owl, so on Monday night, when Wildstar was set to launch it's F2P client, I asked MS for the login info so that I could post about it when it went live. This was the first time he told anyone that he had changed the login info and considered it to be his personal account.
See above for some of this but I've had the M.Steiner disclaimer on there (that any opinions posted were my own and nobody else's) for months, and the STR banner has had M.Steiner on it for quite a while now too. The account has always been used as my personal account as well, the random examples above show that and anybody who pays any attention to me on Twitter has been able to see that throughout the year. It's only becoming an issue now because you asked for access to it a year later. There was no need to post about WildStar either because I was already going to do so, as I have done with Battletech and lots of other things. I've been doing it all year. Sometimes you come on IRC and you link things which have already been talked about days before, already been posted on Twitter, or to the forum. You seem rarely up to speed.
22:29 @Kondratev • Bah 6 hours till F2P launch. Thought it hit last night
You didn't even have the launch day right until a few hours before and after I had already brought it up and told people it was going free to play. I am always on the ball. I knew exactly when it was launching and had a tab open all evening with the countdown to it. There's nobody here (except anyone who works in the industry and has inside knowledge) who follows the gaming world as closely as I do, except for BD. I have also made made nearly as many posts on Twitter in this past year of managing it than you have made here on the forums in 11 years. I have it under control.
Your offer of help is appreciated as I said to you on IRC but Twitter & YouTube are our most active sites right now. I made them that way. Your efforts would be much better spent elsewhere in areas which actually need
Kondratev wrote:Earlier today, MS used the STR Twitter to post personal opinions on the Oregon school shooting. Several of us agreed that regardless of our opinions, it was not an appropriate post on an account representing the STR as an organization.
MS responded by removing the STR name from the account.
The single tweet for reference, which I have now removed:
"Awful news of the #UCCShooting. Prayers go out to those affected
There's a reason we don't see this in the UK though, just saying..."
Honestly, I can see your point here (and just to note, I have only ever made a handful of political posts throughout the year and what lead to me adding the M.Steiner disclaimer to the profile page back in the spring). We'd already had a disagreement on the login status the other night though and when you brought it up again tonight (after I had made other suggestions on the forum which nobody has replied to, but what's new?) whilst publically asking me to remove that tweet, you upset me. In any other circumstances I'd have removed that tweet then and there, no question, but I thought you were just looking for something to pick at. I would not have a problem agreeing never to post anything political on there (despite there being a disclaimer that any opinions posted on there were mine), as I do understand that they get fed to the main site feed which I hadn't thought of. I am sorry for that. Out of anger and upset I removed myself from the situation (IRC) and removed the STR branding from the Twitter. I would never have done it otherwise.
If the Twitter account had been run as it was intended to be run (as a group
and with the group
contributing to it and building it up), I would never have changed the login to my own. Why would I ever do that? After a year with every single tweet, video, picture, opinion on there being posted by me? Yes I consider it my account now and was not happy to just open that back up to you after all the work I've put into it. You can't use that argument (that it was intended to be a group accessed account) when the account has never been used used as such. Is this my fault? No. Nobody has ever batted an eyelid when I've been the only one to use it all year though but when I change the login you're going to cause a stink about it? Then why has the group never used the account with the intention it was created with? Why has it all been me?
The fact that my admin access here came into question upsets me greatly too. I can completely understand Anny's position there, but I have never been out to damage this place and only did some of the things tonight after being pushed to the limit and with the account which is full of my
stuff. Nobody else's. People think I'm capable of doing something on this side after all that I've done for this group? Is that what people think of me now? I would never do that. Why would I want to hurt the place and the people I've been working like mad over? I'm glad to see this is not a concern now.
@ShatteredStar97 has been restored under our name (with my name on the banner and in the disclaimer along with STR, like before) and I will continue to use it as I have been doing all year, solo, personally, but always for STR gain. I'll agree not to post anything too political or controversial on there and as I always try to do anyway, I'll try to consider everything I tweet before I tweet it. I have also given Anny access to it but it remains linked to my e-mail account so I can actually receive notifications. If this is not enough and the group would rather try and force me to reopen it after showing no interest in helping me build it all year, the only alternative I can see is for me to rename the account to "M.Steiner of STR" and each of us who wants to work at twitter has an account of our own there "[Username]-STR" which we use to build a bigger group presence with, through a network of accounts. I would rather not do that but I will if that would make people happier. I suggested this in my other thread the other day. Nobody has replied. Or if people don't want me to take sole control of the account (which as I keep saying, I have all year even before I changed the login), would you rather I rename the account completely and free up the handle? You guys make a new under account with it, one which you can manage on your own and without my imput. Do we really want to go down that route?
Rather than anything to do with twitter though.. We have other areas that need work. Facebook is only active due to my tweets being fed across, the main site usually only gets posted on by me, forum activity has been declining by the day (and we'll ignore current activity as this is always boosted during polls and drama), and the Twitch account has rarely been used all year. These are the areas I've been calling for activity in and help to build up like I've done elsewhere. Let's do something about those eh?
This whole mess has really upset me tonight and I'm sorry to those of you I've upset as well, especially after being nominated for Arbiter and building up trust and respect over all these years. I came so close to leaving tonight and just washing my hands of it all but I love this place and I have not put all that hard work in for nothing. If my actions have caused irreversible damage in some of your eyes, to my reputation here or the trust you had in me then maybe it's for the best if I do but that would probably hurt me more than it would anyone else. I hope it doesn't come to that but seeing some of the things said about me and the way you have portrayed both what I've said and done has really offended me when everything I've been doing has been for the group. Not me. All I did was change the login of the account that only I use and the group has showed no interest in helping me build or run all year. People have been happy for me to do that all year whilst they've gone about their own business. I've been happy to run it and I honestly didn't see it as an issue. I just did not want to reopen the account and give you access to it after all this time of it being centered on and focused on by me and my stuff. If the group wanted a group account, the group should have used it as such, as was intended. We're not about to start now. I hope people take the time to read this reply through (sorry about its length) and do not just go off what you have said as fact. So much of it is untrue, uninformed, unfair and just looking to cause drama where there is none, at least on my part.
Now how about we work at improving those other areas I mention, you let me get on with what I have been doing all year and we get back to doing what we're all supposed to be here for. Playing games together? Can we please move past this?